the unions control new york city hall. bill de blasio, all his aides are close to this. new york city is going to head in that direction. >> do you agree with that? >> i don't. this is good news for the bond market and for cities that are struggling because it gives them negotiating leverage. >> put the fear of god in them. >> right. so they won't have to -- >> julie, do you agree? >> i do, actually. both parties gave away the unions in the 90s like drunken sailers in their right to get political support. it went too far. they have a commitment that's a legal contract. even in bankruptcy the unions may get screwed on this. >> didn't the judge take that into -- >> we'll see. charlie is right that this is not a good precedent to set. >> the bond holders got screwed before you deal with the unions. this isn't good for them. >> that is exactly my point. we're not sure who is going to get screwed. the unions or the bond holders. it's going to be for the court to figure out. >> ben stein? >> detroit is an incredibly sad commentary on the collapse of nonwhite urban america. it'